Risk Page #4

You might be willing

to risk rather a lot,

And if you slow

everyone down such that

You're not going to get

the political gain at all,

Yes, you might protect people,

but on the other hand,

You're not-

are you protecting people

By permitting a situation

to continue where you have

20,000 political prisoners?

That's not protecting

people, either.

It's just that I'm not clear

If they understand

what will happen.

I think most people

don't understand data retention.

- I don't think it works

like that, actually.

I think that you have

a short-term crisis,

And you decide that the ability

to activate quickly

And en masse is more important

than preventing

The internet from forming

a long-term profile on them.

People just don't understand

the threat model.

- And there's two

different threat models here,

'cause there's one

where they know who you are,

And they're going to spend

a certain amount of resources

On targeting you

And following you physically,

And the other is they don't

yet know who you are.

So as long and as long

as you keep your anonymity,

You don't end up

in this first category.

And once you're in this

first category, it's very hard.

I'm in this first category.

You're in this first category.

- Yep.

croatia, albania

somewhere near romania

- keep your head forward

So I don't cut your neck.

- it's euro and nato

- Do you wanna do that?

- We'll just trim-

why the hell do we go?

- That's mine.

- head for macedonia

I'll race ya

- somewhere far overseas

Little rat tail there.

there's a place-

- Could you look for

the occupy london photo?

And make sure the sound's up.

- No. I don't want to cut it

too short in the back

- you look sensational

in that dress

you look sensational

in that dress

- Julian,

you just need to wash it.

Cut it extra.

- you look sensational

in that dress

- Three guys arrive,

and they approach him,

And they say, "fbi. "

- They asked about my-

- about your name

And his involvement with you,

and they said,

"you were involved

with wikileaks, right?

And we have been

following you. "

They admitted that they

have been following you-

"and we are contacting you

because we want to ask you

Some questions, and-

- like what?

Well, very general stuff,

Like, "we want to know

your relationship

With julian assange. "

general stuff like that.

No. Shh.

It's two guys.

- Shall I continue, or...

- Go have a look at it.

- Huh?

- Just have a look there, laura?

Mm-hmm.

- This question

about communication

With manning, for example,

That's clearly the most

important question...

- Yes.

- I've heard so far, but...

- I said,

"did I mention jacob?"

And he said, "no,

they didn't mention jacob.

They just mentioned julian. "

Because they mentioned

you again.

Wikileaks and julian assange,

because of the manning case.

- In the car?

- In the one-

The three spooks.

- Yeah.

- When they were trying

To make him

answer the questions,

Because the metro was closed,

that what they could do

Is give him a ride on the car

To the house

that he was staying at,

Because he-

and he said to them

That he was staying alone

in the house.

he is such a f***ing idiot.

Get into a car

with three fbi guys.

Yeah. All right. Yeah.

- Yeah. Yeah.

And said,

"what you have to do now

Is to call this and this and

this and this and this person-

- Go on.

- That's his security-

- I bumped into four people

I knew in sweden.

They all say the same thing:

That wikileaks has lost ground

because of you.

Doesn't matter when you go

"yes, but you know,

"wikileaks is him.

It's all his ideas,

and all that,"

That almost puts them

off even more.

You-I mean,

you're toxic there.

They all say, "apologize. "

I'm not telling you

this is what I'm saying.

I'm just passing on

what they-

- so-

- I'm just passing on-

- 500 days of detention

without a judge.

Yeah.

The only person

who put it differently

Was thomas olsen,

who said,

You need to address

the issue.

And he said what you do

is you need

To address the girls, say,

"I'm sorry you felt that way.

"I wasn't disregarding you.

Da-da-da. "

that sort of thing.

- Well sure,

just fly her over,

I'm sure she'll be happy

to have a private meeting.

- Usw?

- Yeah.

- You being sarcastic?

- No.

Um, if you can demonstrate

That due process

hasn't been followed,

That will really

upset the swedes,

'cause they're a stickler

for process.

- What? No, they're not.

- No, I know they're not...

- They're not

a stickler for process.

- Because every time-

- they're a stickler

For pretending

that there's process.

- Yeah,

but you've got to-

- We have been demonstrating,

again and again

And again, that their due

process hasn't been followed.

- Yes, I know.

That's why I said I disagreed.

And I said, "well, you know,

here's why-

- That's why they hate me.

- Anyway, then they-

- Yeah, I'm sure they

much prefer to f*** me

And have no whimpering sounds.

- This is my debrief,

so can you keep quiet?

- Go on.

- Because every time I say,

"well," they're like,

"he should just come back. "

And say, "and get the-"

- get into that prison cell.

Yeah.

Hi. I'll put him on.

Hello?

Yeah, of course.

Well, you need to say that.

That these are weasel words.

No, f*** that. You don't need

to worry about that.

The u. S. Is having-

has an active grand jury

With fbi agents detaining

people at airports.

- Oh, no, they're not.

That's a lie.

No, it's a grand jury.

It's secret.

All you have to do

is quote-no, no.

No, no, no.

All you have to do is quote

What was in

"the sydney morning herald"

From the australian

government's own material,

Which is, "it cannot

be confirmed on the record. "

le, it can be confirmed

off the record.

Witnesses who have been

dragged in have

Released their subpoenas,

have been on the steps

Of the grand jury.

- Julian runs the organization

like an intelligence agency:

Using code names,

denial and deception,

Compartmentalization.

He's teaching me things

about secrecy

I didn't realize

I needed to learn.

I don't know

what he's planning.

I'm only able to see

one step ahead.

Hi.

How's it going?

- But don't-don't-don't tell

that journalist,

And, um-yeah.

Any journalists.

Yeah, well,

tell him to bugger off.

- Those who support

julian assange believe

That his extradition

is only the beginning

Of a very long process

that could land

The whistleblower

in a u. S. Prison.

- In the last few moments,

the uk's supreme court

Has dismissed the appeal

of julian assange,

Effectively paving the way

for him to be extradited

To sweden

within the next ten days.

He is not being charged

with any crime.

At this stage,

he is only wanted in sweden

For questioning in relation

to some sexual allegations

Of which mr. Assange denies.

Assange was not in court for

that judgment to be handed down.

We understand he wanted to be

but was caught in traffic.

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