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his name is called God...

that if you know what you got,

then you ain't got much.

Jesus dressed very well.

Oh, come on.

- Where is the Biblical evidence?

- Wait a minute.

When he was born,

they brought him gold.

They brought him gold.

He was not poor.

So my image of Jesus as a man

who championed the poor

and walked around

in simple garb, that's wrong?

It was linen.

It was fine linen.

- Really?

- Yeah.

But Jesus constantly preaches

against rich people.

The Bible does not speak

against being rich.

- Jesus does. Very plainly.

- No no.

Jesus was very

very against the rich.

He never preached against being poor.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for...

No, he preached

against being rich.

No no no, he said that

it's better for a rich man...

than a rich man to enter...

It is easier for a camel to go

through the eye of a needle

than for a rich man

to enter the Kingdom.

Okay, but now things

like houses and cars

and clothes and money,

they come as a result

of my seeking God first.

I don't remember that

in the New Testament specifically.

But it's there. I remember it.

The houses, the cars

and the clothes, they'll come.

Yeah, money comes,

money happens, you know.

Well, money happens for you

because they're giving it up to you.

You're not giving it up to them.

Let me set the record straight.

I do not receive

a salary from the church.

I do not take a salary

from the church.

- You take it right out of the pot.

- No no no.

It's such a powerful position.

I mean, you hold people's

greatest hopes and dreams

in the palm of your hand, really.

Certainly, some of the young women

must get a crush on you.

Probably. I would too

if I was out there.

If I was a woman, I'd probably

have a crush on me, too.

That's keepin' it real.

Now I can advise other young men

about women, because I've been there.

I had a young man who was

about to go crazy over a woman.

He was about

to kill himself, you know?

I said, "That kind of passion,

you should have for God."

I said, "Turn that to God

and see what happens."

St. Paul, for example,

whom I know you compare yourself to.

People do.

But he famously

only wore on his back

the clothes that he owned.

- Should I assume that this is...

- He was always on the run.

This is your only $2,000 suit?

The gentleman who made

this suit for me

owns a clothing store.

Mr. Kane, you in the house?

The prices that I get

my clothes for...

- you know, I'm blessed in that area.

- Yes, you are.

I'm more blessed than

I've ever been all the days of my life.

And the owner is a Muslim,

which... I came out of Islam.

I know, I think it's very interesting

that you're a Christian now,

you were a Muslim

and when you get your clothes,

you buy them like a Jew.

And action!

That's right... behind me and above me

is the original Twin Cities,

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Apparently, it was

a pretty wicked place.

How wicked?

Well let's just say that

what happened in Gomorrah,

stayed in Gomorrah.

That is until God got wind of it,

so he sent two angels

to investigate.

Now the angels went to the house

of the one godly man in town... Lot.

And the townspeople tried

to rape them.

Now Lot,

not wanting his town

to get the reputation

as the kind of place

that would rape angels,

offered up to the mob

his own daughters to rape.

And he was

the good guy in town.

Which brings me

to this question:

If I ever had to swear an oath,

why would I want to put my hand

on the King James Bible?

I think I could find more morality

in the Rick James Bible.

God hates fags.

The Constitution does not

grant to homosexuals

the right to perform sodomy.

- I'm a monk.

- A monk.

Franciscan.

What do you think

of homosexuality?

Do you think that's...

the Bible is against it.

No, the Bible is not against it.

The Bible's not

against homosexuality?

If you are born homosexual,

you are to stay there.

- You have to be happy.

- But that's what the Bible says?

What the Bible means to say, yeah.

Oh, what the Bible means to say!

Now that's a good book.

It preaches the rock-solid truth.

You are faggots!

I don't hate them.

God hates them.

- Hey, Bill.

- How are you? Nice to meet you.

Okay. Okay.

So of course, the reason

why we're here is because you're...

I guess we would say, ex-gay.

You used to be gay

and then you married someone

who used to be a lesbian.

And you have three children,

and I guess the jury's out on them.

Okay, and would you say

it's just like any other marriage

of 14 years...

you never have sex?

Oh, funny. Ha ha. Got that.

I don't classify myself

as ex-gay, you know?

I'm a heterosexual guy

who dealt

with some homosexuality.

Okay, so the people

who come here are people

who are wanting to do what you did.

They want to reform their life

and lead a heterosexual life.

But I will be honest with you.

The reality's a lot of people come here

and go right back

into whatever they came from.

- Because they're gay!

- I believe that it's sin.

Excuse me, but don't you have it,

no pun intended, ass-backwards?

Meaning?

Meaning homosexuality

is something that occurs in nature.

I was out bird watching,

but I'd rather watch you.

Why don't you come over

and get some?

Man is who wrote

the Bible.

Nature made gay people.

Nobody's born gay.

There's no scientific or...

Really? Have you ever met

Little Richard?

We can look at creation and say,

"What's the normal order?"

A man has a penis.

A woman has a vagina.

Let's just be blunt.

There's no scientific

data that proves

that anyone is...

there's no gay gene.

And you also discovered

the gay gene?

Yes.

This is all coming from the Bible

which you believe...

- Right.

...to be the word of God.

- I do.

- All of the proscriptions

against homosexuality come

from the Old Testament.

Jesus never said a word

about homosexuality.

And if it's so important,

why didn't he ever bring it up?

We could pick lots of little things

that he didn't

specifically talk about.

- But this is a big thing.

- Let me stop this whole thing.

You know, I'm not sure what

your documentary is about,

but if it's to basically refute

the word of God,

then I'm not interested

in doing your interview, okay?

- Well, l...

- I think that

obviously you don't have

the same relationship

with Jesus Christ that I do.

But what is your explanation

for the millions and millions of people

around the world who are

- leading homosexual lives...

- Well, it's not millions.

...have no interest in anyone

of the opposite sex?

Are they all faking

just to piss off Jesus?

They didn't choose this.

They didn't desire it.

Right, they were born gay.

No, they weren't born that way.

It's because of the insecurity

within theirselves.

It takes a lot of security to walk out

of the house with assless chaps.

- They're not happy, most of them.

- They're called gay.

They took the word.

Some of them look positively thrilled.

No, they are people who

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